2021 Auto Bild All Season Tire Test

Hi Jonathan. I much appreciate your quantified approach.
Question: Auto Bild shows the traction force in snow in Newton. But what does it mean, since traction depends of the weight on the tire. The CC2 has 3500N in the all season SUV test, but 'only' 3000N in the standard all season test. Why the difference? Can values between two tests be compared?
Thanks for the help.

Is there any reason why the Pirelli are so bad on this test, compared to the TR test?
I was going to buy some 225/45/18's but the wet braking has put me right off.

Hey all! Which all season tire for a size 245/45/R18 you would recommend for really hot summers and moderate winters (temps at their lowest are around -5 to -10C and there's a snow for around 10-15 days total). The rest of the winter is usually dry, or with rain, and the temps are around -2 to 0 (night) to 10C. Mid May through end of August/mid September temps are usually between 25 to ~35C (during the day).

Michelin
Goodyear
Pirelli
Continental

On my old car I was using CC+ in the similar size (225 instead of 245 now) for the last 2 years and I was soo happy with them, all year round. Now want to fit some new all seasons for the new car (Insignia Grand Sport petrol 121kw automatic and just want to make sure I make the right choice. All 4 tires are similarly priced here (maybe 5-10 euros difference) and I'm looking for the most comfy, least noisy and with a good life span. Was definitely interested in CC2 but after reading this review I just wanted your advice if they are still the best choice.
And finally, would you all go for 96Y standard ones or 100Y XL ones?

Thank you!

Hi, have you got performance testing (dry, wet, snow etc) of all season vs winter tires as the tires wear out?

Apparently all season tires start their life soft and perform well, but then harden through life and don't do so well (in addition to having less tread).

Any thoughts?

Hello,

I live in Asturias, a province in the north of Spain and I want to buy the Nokian Sessionproof.

Here in Asturias it rains most of the year. We have sea and mountains of more than 2000 meters of altitude at 70km distance between sea and mountains, although the average of the most important mountain passes where roads pass are usually around 1200-1400 meters that in winter are snowed.

The purchase of the Nokian is fine for a person that the most he has ever driven on wet roads was 140 km/h or would you advise me to buy another model of all-season tires other than Nokian. I mean if the understeer is sufficiently pronounced when driving with these tires. I have 225/45 R17 tires.

This monday I have to call to put new ones on. I will pass my michelin crossclimatic + at the front and put these new ones on the rear.

But I would like to know the opinion if these Nokian Sessionproof are good in wetter climates than snow. The wet weather in Asturias ranges from 3 degrees to 30 degrees centigrade between autumn, winter, spring and summer.

Thank you very much for your reply.

Post Data: I would like you to do a review with the new Uniroyal AllSeasonExpert 2 tires as uniroyal say they have always been one of the best tires in the wet. If anyone has tried them and can tell us how they perform in the wet and dry as well as on snow and ice I would appreciate it as well.

Regards.

Hi, many thanks for a great review. I’m thinking of mounting all-season tires on my 7-seater (205/55/17) and this really comes in handy. At the moment, my favorites are the new Pirelli and Goodyear. I have to say that I live at the cost of Adriatic Sea with really mild weather (quite a bit of rain in the winter, though) with few short trips to middle Europe during the year.
Basically, I am looking for a tire that will “cover” summer conditions, mild winters and occasional encounter with the snow. It seems that most of these new all-season tires could get the job done, but, as I said I’m leaning towards either Pirelli or Goodyear. However, during the summer, the temperatures here easily hit 35-40 C, and I have yet to see a review that covers all-season tire behavior in this kind of heat. Plus, after a couple of months of really hot weather, what is the wear and tear on these tires? Can I expect to be using the same set for 2.5 - 3 years (I do 15 - 20 thousand km/year), or will the tires lose their intended characteristics after the first summer season? I’d appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Plus, based on your experience, would either Pirelli or Goodyear be suited for this kind of climate or would you recommend a possible
third option? Obviously, the decision is mine to make, but I’m always open for suggestions. Once again, many thanks for a great review.

I would be fascinated to see the results if you would include a Michelin CC2 in your summer tire tests.

Would you say Jonathan that for those of us living in England probably the optimal set up is to use one of the many fine summer tires from May to October and an AS with the characteristics of a MCC2 or Vred Q from November to April?

On an associated point I do wonder though whether Michelin in chasing improved snow performance haven't ever so slightly taken their eye off wet capabilities.

Two presumably well run test by two clearly world class testers ( Don't be modest your testing is legit ), with some converging and some diverging results. However since they were multiple variables changed it's hard to know why, except to speculate. I find it completely fascinating it reminds me of an organic chemistry lab in college. I am having way too much fun trying to select an optimal tire, luckily I drive a Golf R, so tire reviews testing is spot on for me!

How its possible that Goodyear in tests from 2020 225/45 was 3rd lowest noise and year after 225/50 its 10th ?

Just to show how weighting can change results I took ABs scores and scored 40% for wet, 35% for dry, 10% for snow, 10% for wear/price/RR, 2.5% for Aqua and 2.5% for noise. On this basis Vredestein won with Michelin 2nd, Hankook 3rd and Goodyear only 5th.

Slightly confused by the conclusions on the Auto Bild report. Auto Bild say the Goodyear tire has no weaknesses with convincing performance across all conditions yet it is 4.3 metres worse than the Michelin CC2 and only 9th in dry braking and 13th in dry handling which is 10.26% and 1.86% respectively worse than the CC2. Meanwhile the Michelin gets marked down for wet performance even though it is only 3.2 metres worse than the Goodyear in wet braking and is 12th in wet handling which is only 5.86% and 3.62% respectively worse than the Goodyear.

To be over 14 feet slower to brake in dry conditions than the CC2 is not great IMHO.

So if Michelin is being marked down for wet performance then surely Goodyear (and others) should be for dry performance

what kind of tire are the "reference"? For example there are big differences between a michelin energy, primacy and sport pilot

Out of all these test I just found my next winter tires: Nokian Seasonproof. It seems to be better than the winter tires in TR and AB tests , different cars , different conditions .
Mr. Benson , would you please take into account a future test or more with a FWD not sporty heavy estate , I mean for us that a RWD or a lighter, smaller car won't be good enough for transportation needs ( a family won't travel in it confortably, at least mine doesn't).
What do you say about it?

I'm interested to know how the General Altimax 365 AW will fare vs. the other All Weather tires. I would expect superior snow and ice performance as it appears the 365 AW was derived from a winter tire heritage. Any data on this new tire yet?

I was about buying the Pirelli SF2 in 225/40 R19 (front) and 255/35 R19 (rear) for a Giulia with 280BHP, but seeing these results I now have some doubts. How could these results be so different from the tests from Tire reviews? They seem two entirely different tires.
Also, CC2 has similar results, way worse on wet in this test compared to the other one.

As I would use them as winter tires and I live in a temperate place, so dry and wet performance have more priority and temperature rarely below 0, and sporty feeling if possible. What would you suggest?