The Toyo T1R earns its clearest owner praise for dry grip, with favorable comments also on handling, feedback and value. Wet grip is much more divisive: positive mentions outnumber complaints, but around one in five reviews describes poor grip in rain. Tread life is the main recurring reservation, with criticism in roughly a quarter of reviews and mid-life and end-of-life accounts ranging from quick wear to long service. Around one in ten reviews mentions soft sidewalls, sometimes linked to imprecise responses. Noise and comfort receive mixed verdicts, while progressive breakaway has more supporters than critics.
What owners mention most counted across 239 reviews
I had a set of (205/50ZR16) T1Rs on my last classic scoob. After four sets of Bridgestone Potenza RE-050 I was amazed how much sweeter the Toyos were. Not as hot and blu- tac-y on perfect sun drenched tarmac, but better everywhere else, especially in the cold, damp and very cold - i.e. where it matters. I'd rotated several sets of the 'stones to extract 20K per set, but the Toyos were heading towards at least 25K miles when I sold the car. I've lived with Potenza RE-070 on my hawkeye STI scoob for 21,000 miles now, and finally had to replace them - with a set of (215/45ZR17) T1R's. It's like coming home. The grip is there, but now the ride is plush, the road roar is gone and I can finally hear the turbo spooling up. Quiet, efficient, consistent, long lasting, brilliant, and cheaper too!
Bit of a mixed bag with these. T1-Rs have had more positive than negative reviews, so after a long search opted for these. I've heard all the fuss about soft walls but I believe this has been rectified?? Excellent grip in the dry, always aware of where the limit is. Wet performance seemed to reduce after about 6k miles. Still 6mm on the back and 5mm left on front after 8k. No tail-out experiences in wet or dry. Would imagine I'll get about 12k before replacing the fronts - for a FWD turbo car, I can live with that, and for the price will definately buy again.
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I've fitted T1R's to all 4 corners of my road legal track 205 despite being told to buy the R888's... however, numerous people have been suprised on a dry track just how well the T1R's carry my little rocket out of the corners of Silverstone and Rockingham. They're alright in the wet but I don't really drive in the wet as the car fills up with water which is uncomfortable. for general road use they're really good IMO and I haven't managed to scare myself on the public highway unlike my previous Contact Sport 2's which lasted all of 5 minutes and 1 backward out of a corner incident. The 205 is known for it's tendancy to catch you out with lift off oversteer but these give you enough of a feel to correct the car's pace and direction before you end up in the tire wall/hedge etc... Road noise is aweful but i have no interior so I suspect that is the car and not the tire. Wheel spin is something I have to live with when not on track because the engine only has 2 settings, go and off so i don't think any tire could actually keep this from spinning seeing as it has no ECU, ABS, ESP etc... or any other boring safety features. Good tire, have lasted 2 track sessions with 3000 miles in between and passed it lastest MOT with them, can't be bad for ?45 per edge!!
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Fitted some of these to the front of my MGF a few months ago and was not sure if there was an improvement, but thought there was. Now fitted them to the rear and noticed a great improvement immediately. Road holding is very good and road noise has been reduced greatly over that when Khumo's were fitted.
Very pleased with these tires and definately have them again.
I have owned 2 325's for combination of 3 years now and have had a several set of tires on this model and I can honestly tell you that the Toyo T1-R is the best model of tire that I have used yet. I have used Pirelli P6000's, Federal Super Steel 595's, Falken FK451's, Falken ZE512's, Michelin PS2's and Continetal Contact Sport 2's.
The absolute worst thing you can do if you drive spirtedly is put cheap tires on your car,especially if you have a RWD BMW that is reknown to be tail happy. I know where you are coming from trying to save money on cheaper tires as I thought the same thing. I had a set pair of 225 45 17 Federal SS595's on the rear and had used them for about 2 weeks (500 + miles) I was going round a large roundabout ( approx 20 seconds to drive round it) and the sidewall gave as i was turning . resulting in a blowout which sent my car absolutly flying. I had two choices, hit the traffic in the lanes next to me or aim for a place to ditch it. Picture the scene, its 12am at night, its raining and im running a 2.5 liter engine on one 225 45 17 and an alloy wheel with a tire flailing around it.
I went across 2 lanes avoided all traffic, mounted the outer curb, took out a sign, an illumiated bollard and hit the massive steel reinforcements. Car was a Cat B write off.
Lesson Learned.
The tire's I have used I would rate in the following order from the best to the worst.
Toyo T1-R's (now 245 40 17) Falken ZE512's, Michelin PS2, Continental Sport 2's, Falken FK451's, Pirelli P6000's, Federal SS595's. ( Do NOT buy this tire ) it could cost you your car, your life or someone elses.
People have mentioned that the Toyo's have soft sidewalls, Toyo has addressed this, please choose a tire with a Reinforeced Side wall, they ARE the tires im reviewing here.
Pirelli P6000's are useless in the wet (205 60 15)
If I couldn't find any Toyo's I would get the ZE512's until I could get a set.
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An horrific and DANGEROUS tire on an Mr2 Turbo.I had Toyo T1-s on the rear before and they were great and I then changed to the T1r's.
They were so bad I went back to the guys at the tire center and we put it up on the ramps to look for a suspension problem.The anti roll bar bushes seemed a little worn and as I NEVER skimp on my car I bought front and rear White Line uprated bars and bushes and we fitted them.
This only showed the tires to be complete rubbish as the very little body roll was now eliminated as I have expensive coilovers and the White lines and we laser 4 wheel aligned the car with the original negative camber settings and the car still handles like a 1970's mk3 Ford Cortina.
I then fitted by friends rear wheels with worn out odd patterned cheap and perrished old black lumps of s#!t and the car handles lovely.
These T1r tires are shocking and frighteningly bad.The side walls are so soft that the car squirms in a SRAIGHT line and trying to change direction at anythig over 60-70 mph,forget it.Feels like your wheel nuts are loose.
Also I can push buy hand with ease,the car side to side and watch the tires move around like jelly.
Do NOT fit these to an Mr2 Turbo.
However I will be trying r888's as i put my hands inside the tire walls when not fitted,pulled at them and they are very stiff as apose to the T1r's that I could move lateraly with ease.
Had these fitted after reading various reviews - massive improvement over the Michelin Pilot non sticks that were on the car previously. Very impressive dry performance but comparable in wet weather conditions - can quite easily to induce understeer, although good feedback and predictive once learnt limits. Only real downside is that wear rate is harsh after spirited driving (2nd set on fronts after less that 6K) and feels as though there is some flex in tire walls when really leaning in the corners - again predictive though. Good tire with good feed back, but for my driving style think Goodyear/Bridgestone's might be a better option..
I've given these a good running in and generally have been impressed. Even in some very heavy rain, they have performed well and minimised wheel spin. On the flip side, I don't feel that the ride is as good as it was with my old Bridgestone Potenza's but then given that the Toyo's are circa ?50 cheaper per corner, you are still getting a very capable tire for the money.
I would buy these again but maybe not for the Civic. i have had the T1R's on a Volvo S60 2.oT and I feel that they were better suited to that. Perhaps I just wasn't pushing as hard.
Switched to these from bridgestone s03's and generally much improvement. they have a softer sidewall which suits the car much better and reduces the sensitivity to mid-corner bumps. The car is much more stable and forgiving. Break away characteristic is good with plenty of feel from the seat of the pants of what the car is doing.
Excellent price as well - woudl strongly reccommend
First saw these tires on the rack next to the CT01s & noticed the sidewall was like jelly. when the time came to replace my bridgestones I wanted to give the CT01s as I was not keen on the soft pliable T1R sidewalls. The salesman advised that the T1Rs were a much better UHP tire. I decided to give the T1Rs a try since everyone was raving about them & they were at a good price. daily driving theyre fine, good grip in wet & dry but they slide easily when pushed. but thats no problem. The real problem came as a shocker. the first stint I did over 150kmh almost got me slammed into the motorway barrier. above 140kmh the back starts floating from sided to side & is uncontrollable. balancing, alignment and tire pressures are all spot on. Seems Im not the first to experience this and I put it down to the soft sidewalls. This is a damn dangerous tire at high speed! Ive upped the rear pressure to 2.8bar & this calms the floating slightly. those jelly sidewalls are a disaster!
I left a feed back when i had a 195/45/15 on my Glanza, I have now just replaced them with a 195/50/15 and the ride is slightly softer and the car handles a lot better. i will leave feed back once the tires have bedding in which will be in 2/3 weeks. hopefully i'll get a little more miles out of these. I knew i wouldnt go for the Avons as i have heard too many bad things.
I feel the Toyo T1-R are good. My car is running at 225 bhp at the front wheels. The car has a 1.5 LSD and can still manage to spin the wheels. I am thinking of changing to the Avon AZ3's as a friend of mine runs them on his 3.2 Capri. I am not happy with the ammount of time they last for as i dont drive the car harsh.
