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I struggle to see how a tire that is 21 ft worse than the best at cool wet braking and is very average at wet handling in cool conditions and is even more average/poor in dry conditions can be the test winner. Yes its snow performance is excellent but this is not a winter tire test. Even if I lived in central Europe I wouldn't want to risk the Continental in non snowy weather. Surely if you have the sort of climate with winter snow that the Conti excels in you'd go for a winter/summer combo. Just MHO but the Vredestein and Michelin seem much more rounded tires.
Your point in another test that a tire that is poor in key areas can't make that up by excellence in others due to weighting of scores is well made. German tire tests do seem to err in this regard.
I totally agree, however there is one thing to keep in mind. It's super far behind the Bridgestone, which we know from other tests trades wet grip for wear, so it's a bit of a false benchmark!
The Bridgestone braking results are amazing - only 1.4m off the best across the 5 braking results compared to the Contis 11.1m. Wear is important but only within reason, it's not everything. If I'm doing 6K a year then 40K life is fine as I change every 5-6 years come what may. If I'm doing 20K a year then I want 60K life as it's much more important. Having said that safety trumps wear every time for me.
The comment by AZ that the Conti convinced across dry and wet surfaces is just not borne out by the results.
For example the total of the braking distances across the various conditions are:
Bridge +1.4M!!!!
MCC +6.0M
Vred +7.1M
Conti +11.1M
Good + 12.8M
The combined handling times are:
Vred +1.6s
Good +1.6s
Conti +2.9s
MCC +4.5s
Bridge +4.9s
This is where your Tests are so good, Jonathan. I forget which test it was but you marked one tire down from 3rd where its score put it to 4th due to a poor performance in a key test. Otherwise, in the converse to the German tests, you could end up with a situation in a mild climate scoring system in which snow gets say 5%, where a summer tire wins an AS test due to its woeful snow performance being totally eclipsed by its much higher scoring superior dry/wet results which would be equally odd
Basically IMHO there has to be a minimum standard for every key test which a tire cannot fall behind if it wants to win. ADAC, AutoBild, AZ scoring systems seem to ignore dry/wet provided snow is great. Well it doesn't snow in Bavaria in July?.
I really wonder why the Vredestein Tire get´s such a good rating. I mean it really wears of quickly. Which isnt rated here. But all in all the tire is definitely not better than the allmighty Vectore 4S Gen3!
Especially if it wears of quicker and loses grip during aging.
In tests where you don't test wear, you can't degrade a result based on another tests data (though some days I wish you could!)
This is why I love your Page. I love tires. Written with a Y not I.
I can compare differents tests, weigh them and see every tire compared in bar charts in each specific summary of yours. Your videos are also great.
Through your page I startet weighing my specific needs on a tire. This is how I came to a set of summer tires (for summer) and a set of all season tires (for winter use).
I am about to purchase all-season tires for my Skoda Fabia Estate, 185/60R15, 20,000+ miles per annum, and I live in the West Midlands region of the UK. Snow is rare, but temperatures are regularly below 7c in the winter. My driving is leisurely, and I am interested in good fuel economy and ride comfort, but not interested in sporty performance or handling. The Nokian Seasonproof has some excellent reviews; any other ideas?
I'm not sure where you saw excellent reviews of the seasonproof but it only really does well in the snow, which isn't that useful. Check out our all season test video for recommendations but the usual recommendations are the Michelin, Goodyear, Conti or Pirelli
Thanks; I will compare the Vredestein and the Pirelli for local availability and prices.
Vredestein seems to be on a good way actually. The new Quatrac seems to be good, the Ultrac (Summer Tire) had a good test result in Auto Express and the new Wintrac seems to be also not bad
https://reifenpresse.de/202...
Their' latest gen stuff is really good, it performed well in the tire review as test this year
Very nice to see how they perform at different temp and surfaces. Some of them are less influenced by those variables, so it could make the results more aplicable to the real world of roads and countries. Looking forward to see your own test! Which tire measure have you used for it? ?
205/55 R16 :)
Yep, agree. 1st test I see with these parameters. It looks like the all season tires going to be more all season tires than winter tires. Maybe I will get in the next years all season instead of winter tires, for summer I will stay with summer tires.
I am thinking about buying an electric car. I know EVs have their own specialized tires that are usually optimized for very low rolling resistance to increase range as much as possible. Would it be a good idea to fit all season tires if you'd rather have better grip in all weather even if range suffers? What's the average rolling resistance of EV optimized tires when compared with the tires in this test?
If you'd rather have better all weather grip, an all season / winter tire is a good option :) The Crossclimate 2 is OE on one of the Volvo EVs so they must be getting there in terms of RR :)