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I am trying to decide if if I should switch from my Falken Eurowinters (HS449) to an all season tire. I drive a 2009 Volvo V70 estate, which can easily lose its grip in the snow, and I live in Sheffield, full of hills, so though snow is not present all winter, when it comes it does a good job of shutting the place down!). But I am confused by the AutoBild data and indeed your comments on it. Particularly the comments comparing with the Summer reference in wet braking.
For the Winter tire test (http://www.tirereviews.co.u... the summer ref is 35.9m and several of the Winter tires easily beat it. Yet for the data above, even though the Summer ref is higher (41.4m), none of the All Seasons beat it and still they are all presented as better than the Winter ref at 53.4m. In the Winter tire test, however, the worst winter tire still manages 38.2m (link above). What's going on? From one test (Winter) I should conclude that Winter tires are better than Summer in the wet braking, yet in the other I have to conclude that All Seasons are not even though they are better than the Winter ref?!
Let me know who I should contact at Autobild to let them know they need a scientist involved (I am one!). In the meantime, I have one Falken wearing more than the the other 3 (which have a bunch of tread left); to switch to an all season means I am going to have to buy 4 (in stead of just replacing the one Falken); not really worth it, is it?!
Lots of factors change tire test results, temperature, vehicle, surface type etc. It's a good idea to use lots of data sources and average the results you find.
In short, a good all season or a good winter (such as a TS860) will out perform the falken in most if no all scenarios. I like using a summer bias all season as a winter tire for most of the UK, but if you see heavy snow and hills, either go with a "normal" all season, or a winter with a good all round ability.
Hello! I'm trying to decide which allseason tires to fit under my Ford Fiesta 2014. Since I have 16 inch rims, I have to keep height 45, which prohibits me from a Continental or Goodyear all season tire unfortunately.
I'm currently thinking about the Bridgestone Weather control A005 or the Vredestein Quatrac 5. I'm from the south of the Netherlands and it's mostly dry and wet road conditions here, with maybe a couple of days snow a year. Bridgestone seems the better choice, but I've read reviews saying they're awfull in the snow. Plus they have a higher noise level. Vredestein seems like the more allround with a lower noise level, they perform well in the snow, but less so in the dry and wet than the Bridgestones.
Which should I get?
Both excellent choices! Given the Bridgestones will still be much better in the snow than a summer tire I wouldn't let you put that off if you see limited snow running.
Alright, thank you! I currently have 195/45 R16 tires under my Ford Fiesta 2014. Do you think it is possible to put Continental Allseason contact 195/55 R16 tires on it? Or will the height be to much of a difference?
That would be too much of a height difference for me.
Sinse 99% of driving is happening on wet or dry roads, i would definitely go for the brigestone weather control.
Hi, I currently have Pirelli Scorpion Verde AS tires in size 245 / 50R20 on my car. I am currently looking for new tires. In my size, I found only the Goodyear Eagle Sport AS model. Do you recommend these tires? Will they be better than current Pirelli?
Where in the world do you live?
South of Poland near Wisła. The city of our ski jumper Adam Malysz :) Car with 4x4
In Poland I wouldn't recommend the Eagle Sport AS as it's not a true all season tire so like the Pirelli will have limited abilities in the snow and ice.
If you are thinking of changing tire size make sure you have enough suspension clearance etc.
Quatrac 5 will be a better option than the aforementioned two Pirelli and GoodYear? CrossClimate is expensive and I am looking for alternatives.
Tire size 255/45 R20 is acceptable in my car but in option with another engine, so it's not a problem.
The Quatrac will have better capabilities in snow and ice yes, but won't be as good in the dry.
So on a dry Pirelli will be better than Vredestein? I guess it would be wise to buy CrossClimate and have good tires on both snow and dry roads. What do you think ?
The Pirelli is essentially a summer tire so yes, as a rule any siped tire is worse than a non-siped tire during dry braking.
The CrossClimate is a good mix between the two
Thank you so much for your help !
Vredestein Quatrac 5 is weak in snow, its made for an SUV in NL...You should go for one of the 3 best: Goodyear Vector4Seasons, Conti AllSeasonsContact or more summer oriented Michelin Cross Climate+, if available.
where would you position tires such as the P7 All season/Scorpion Verde All season and the like of Bridgestone el440? I understand that these may be particularly tailored to the US market as a more versatile summer tire. However the Scorpion Verde All season seems to have a decent amount of sipes.
The US market all season tires are more usable in the snow than our summer tires, but nowhere near our all season tires. There's actually a video on the channel covering different tire types, might be worth watching.
emergency plan is to change the size of tires to 255 / 45R20. Then there are definitely more options to choose from as the CrossClimate SUV. However, if possible, I would prefer to stay at the factory size 245 / 50R20
I'm going to buy a new set of all-season tires. I live on the coast, 5Km from the sea (Italy): november-march it's rainy (average temperature 7-12°C) or it's sunny (average temperature 0-4°C in the morning when I go to work), summer very hot (average temperature 25-30°C), the snow is a rare and fast event. I've seen Bridgestone (dry and wet performance, planned and tested in Italy), but also Goodyear is interesting (dry-wet-snow-comfort-noise-wear). I want a tire good for dry and wet (braking and handling), good aquaplaning performance, snow performance isn't very important. Now I've got Vredestein Quatrac 3: the braking on dry street is poor (ABS usually active), good aquaplaning performance, wear about 43.000Km. I drive on some streets with obbligation for snow tires. My daily job route (monday-friday) is 18Km on flat land (city and suburban) but 6Km on hill as far as 550m altitude: temperature a little lower, more probality of snowing (3-5 day each year - but the street covered by the snow is impossible), many curves and hairpin bends, it'possible ice on the street. What tire do you advice me?
Probably the Conti Allseasoncontact :)
?Thank you and happy new year!
all that depends on the outside temperature, doesn't it? what about summer tire in dry -0C and allseason tire in dry +30C?
IN the dry the summer tire should always win, no matter the temperature. In the wet the balance of performance changes as the temperatures drop
I always thought that in cold (e.g. -10°C) summer tire loses traction as its tread compound rubber properties change to
inflexible plastic, and that ´s reason why winter tires are significantly softer...
I'm not sure about -10c, but at around 0c the summer tire will still win as siped tires have a 15-20% dry braking disadvantage, as shown in this test (ignoring the CrossClimate and A005 as these are special cases)
good to know, thanks
Hi, sorry if I reply to an old post! I'm very interested about the question. For dry conditions, so, summer is always the best (at least, with 0C or high)...but whit wet conditions? What's, more or less, the temperature where siped tires will become better? Thank you
hi How do you test for comfort is it an objective test or subjective?
Comfort tests are generally subjective, but the scores does sometimes include a noise score which is measured and objective.
We can't choose between the Continental and the Goodyear for our Corsa. It has 15 inch tires.
We live in the Netherlands and it's raining more than that it's snowing. Seems these tires are quite even in their performance.
I tend more to Goodyear, but I would like to receive some advice.
As you said, there's very little between the two. The Goodyear is the more proven product, the Conti is the newer tire, so it depends which side of that fence you sit!
Last year the weather is my region was mostly wet and rarely snowy. But somedays it was really hard to drive because it was snowy and slippery. So tires like the A005 are not worth a discussion in my area. I guess the A005 would be absolute horrible if it don´t have the full tread.
Bridgestone actually don´t have a winter tire which I can call a winter tire, the LM001 Evo would probably beaten by most all season tires in the snow. And it was far away from all other winter tires in the Michelin 2mm-test
Do you mean it was hard to drive on winters or on summers?
I can even driver very good with summer tires in winter ;) as long it´s not snowing.
The A005 seems to be weak in snow and I guess it would have the same behaviour like the LM001 Evo. The snow-performance would decrease a lot with every lost of tread.
New winter Bridgestone LM005 launched...soon to be tested this year.
So, you can also compare the prices and availability or concrete DOT for delivery from a good dealer...
Looks nice, but is the 2nd clone (after Pirellis Cinturato Winter) of the Conti TS 860
Wow, that Bridgestone Weather control A005 seems to be a fantastic tire for Southern UK and Dutch climate. Even though it's placed last in this test. Snow handling is just less important in these regions.
That's my current way of thinking!
For Southern UK it may also be a good combination Bridgestones in the front and Goodyears Vector 4 Seasons Gen 2 or Continentals AllSeason Contact in the back to compensate for Bridgestone's lower grip and braking in the snow and ice.
In the wet, the results would be equally great.
In the dry, the ESP could compensate for Goodyear's or Continental's lower grip. The handling wouldn't be as good as with 4 Bridgestones but there's safety enough in the dry if the ESP is on. And, since in the dry emergency braking almost 80% of the braking force is applyed in the front, there wouldn't be much difference in the dry braking compared with a 4 Bridgestone fitting.
I believe this could be valid for a front or a rear wheel drive car but only testing could tell...
I would never ever recommend mixing tire types (which is essentially what you're doing there), I've a video coming on mixed fitment soon, it's super dangerous in snow and ice!
Looking forward to watch it! I'm sure it will be quite useful!
Did you ever did the video with mixed fitment?
Yep, it's on the channel
it's here
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Weird how they won or came near the top except the snow test and thus came bottom of the overal score. Maybe its because in Germany snow falls far more regularly, though surely you'd only keep them on if a) the had the 3 peak symbol, and b) the snow in your region wasn't that bad, which is why people buy all-season tires.
If the snow got really bad, that would be the resaon to use dedicated winter tires and summer tires. Surely they didn't test them as if they were going to replace winter tires? Well, at least they gave a breakdown of the differnt sub-tests so we Brits can decide for ourselves whether its worth going for A, B or C, depending on where we live and the availability/value/performance we want out of the tires.
I must admit that quite a few (the Contis especially, which would've been on my top 3 list of possibles) are not widely available in the UK, or are quite expensive.
I'd certainly like to see the A005 in more tests before making a firm choice, but as we've covered, the best all season tire in my mind for the most of the UK is one that is strong in the dry and wet, and works ok in snow. This is why the Michelin CrossClimate has been such a great choice for the UK.
Hi, i'm really indecisive about the A005 or the micheline crossclimate. The A005 seems superior (besides the snow handling but that's not all that important to me) but that main issue seems to be the mileage. the micheline seems to be able to do 60000 km compared to the 40000 km the A005 would be able to handle. Is this accurate? I can both buy them online for around 70 euro's so the micheline seems the better choice mileagewise and still having a good tire. Any advice? thanks a lot. And awesome website and video's btw. Makes chosing a tire much more fun and interesting ;-)
The Michelin is proven at this stage, where as the Bridgestone has only been in this one test so right now the Michelin is the safer option if that makes sense.
It does. Thanks a lot. My choice for the Belgian weather has been made ;-) Only one question more; should i opt for the 195/65/R15 version or the 205/55/R16? both fit my car and the 195 is a bit cheaper than the 205 but was wondering if there are any advantages/disadvantages for this or that size. Thanks again. Kind regards. Kris
https://www.youtube.com/wat... might help answer :)
It depends upon how good a ride and the handling capabilities are for your car. I changed my wheels and tires on my (now) 13yo Mazda3 from 205/55 R16 to 195/65 R15 because I'd driven a pool car (same model) with the smaller tires and it still handled well (it's a great handling car to start with, given it shares the same floorpan as the Ford Focus mk2, and modern Mazdas are good handling cars).
Doing so saved also me a shed load of money, as I had to change the alloys anyway (and were nearly 2x the cost for 16in OEM replacements). I saved over £300 (€.330) on the wheel and tire replacements and £100 on the tires alone, and £25 per tire for every future replacement (I bought Michelin CrossClimate+'s - H rated for speed, which are slightly cheaper than the V rated ones [but both are allowed on my car for the 15in tires]).
You also get a smoother ride quality with the higher sidewall 15in tires, but handling isn't quite as good, but again it depends on the car. The higher sidewall is also more resistant to damage from kerbing and will work better in the snow for stopping and in the wet for aquaplaning, but again, at the expense of general grip. The TR videos referred to about differences in tire size show this in more detail. To be honest, the really high differences come from changing from wider low profile tires (17in/18in) down by 2ins on the wheel diameter.
If your wheels are in decent condition and don't need changing any time soon, I'd stick to the 16in wheels and tires, as the difference on the road won't be likely that much for most cars and the cost to change over the long term won't be much in it. It's only if you're in a similar situation to me that it's worth changing down a size, assuming the smaller wheels fit over the brakes and your insurer allow the change (they should). You may even get lower insurance premiums as a result (I did), if you're lucky.
Solid post :)
If not available in the UK or very expensive then just make a trip to Europe and buy them here cheaper directly or via an e-commerce site.