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2017 Auto Bild All Season Tire Test

Jonathan Benson
Data analyzed and reviewed by Jonathan Benson
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29 comments
  1. bg17aw archived

    "Michelin CrossClimate" - are these the CrossClimate+ or the older CrossClimate? Should be mentioned

    #3390
    1. TireReviews bg17aw archived

      I believe these were the older CrossClimates at the time of this test.

      #3394
  2. bg17aw archived

    "Results: 1st: Michelin, 1st: goodyear" Really? Two candidates on the 1st place and no second place?

    #3375
    1. TireReviews bg17aw archived

      That is how Auto Bild scored the test

      #3376
  3. LB archived

    Looking for advice... My Primacy 3's on the front need renewing. Rear tires have 6mm left but not sure I like what's going on back there - one is a Primacy 3 94 w the other a Primacy HP 91 y in MO fitting. This is on a VW golf. All are the correct 225/45R17.
    Was thinking of changing all four to get the speed and load ratings matching and lose the MO (Mercedes) tire. Does that sound sensible or an over reaction?
    Also, if changing all four at this time of year would an all season tire make sense?
    I love the Primacy 3 as I value quietness and longevity/ fuel consumption highly. I don't drive fast despite spending most of the time on motorways or dual carriageways.
    Any guidance would be much appreciated.

    #2836
    1. LB LB archived

      Just to clarify the above the car should have 225/45R17 91v all round.

      #2837
    2. Andy Holmes LB archived

      Having driven both Primacy 3 and Crossclimate back to back over the last 15 months (in 205/55 r16) I can state that the crossclimate are very close indeed to the primacy 3. You can get a little more noise under hard braking from the crossc. as the biggest difference, but otherwise although the prim.3 are extremely quiet, the crossc. are barely any different on the most part.

      Personally, I would choose the Crossclimate, even as a driver who likes to drive in a sporty manner when conditions allow.

      Also, it would be sensible in an ideal world to balance out the tires. Your biggest issue on the back is the didference in wet behaviour between the older and newer models as there is a marked difference. The load/speed rating shouldn't really have any notable influence, the MO may or may not depending on what changes Michelin made to the base tire.

      #2838
    3. Andy Holmes LB archived

      Just so you know, a new article 'Crossclimate vs Primacy 3' has just been put up giving a subjective critique of the two.

      #2859
      1. LB Andy Holmes archived

        Great - just what was needed!
        I read it and it does confirm what I was thinking - both really good tires. I also find the Primacy 3 hardens up when cold - doesn't affect the grip at the speeds I drive but does give noticeable difference in comfort. This would no doubt be the same for all summer tires. As the CC+ doesn't seem to be affected by temperature it looks a winner on the comfort score.
        The long term test did echo other comments I'd seen on the slight noise difference the CC+ has. Maybe not especially louder, just slightly more noticeable in some cases.
        My only doubt now is having seen a few comments from users about the CC+ being more prone to drifting on higher speed corners, usually in the damp, with some mentioning it gets worse with age. As I do a fair lot of motorway driving and appreciate building up speed on curved slip roads I just have a niggling doubt left. With that and the fact temps in UK are generally above 7deg more often than below, and the Primacy 3 is £28 cheaper than CC+ (per tire) in my size, I'm swinging that way at present.

        #2860
        1. Andy Holmes LB archived

          Well Ive punted the Grand Scenic about like a hot hatch on some twisty stuff in both dry and wet, havent experienced anything untoward to date other than a bit more oversteer as mentioned. They will be run to the bone so will report back, the problem being the timescale of course!

          Edit; 6/2/18;
          The Crossclimate are now fitted to a Citroen C4, over the new year and up to date, I have been experiencing the 'plasticky' feeling and drifting on wet/damp/cold roads. Only on the front, and only in these conditions.
          I speculate that, the summer optimised compound on a lightweight car, with the way michelin 'do' compounds, is just not quite flexible enough once the tread wears down.
          On the big Grand Scenic last winter they were exemplary. There isnt a great deal of difference in tread depth, perhaps .75mm so tge main difference is the weight and suspension of the two cars.
          I would deduce from this that if you have a heavy/heavier car then the Cc. are great tires which do what they say on the tin.
          For light(er)weight cars, maybe a more traditional all season would be better.
          They are still pretty secure tires when all said and done, but they can feel a bit 'greasy' on a lighter car once tread gets <6mm. This would go some way to explain the mixed reports, as I have experienced both sides of the coin using the same 4 tires.

          #2861
  4. Kolemjdouci archived

    Interesting German test of Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen-2 and Michelin CrossClimate made by Gesellschaft für Technische Überwachung (GTÜ) together with Autoclub Europa (ACE) & Auto-, Motor- und Radfahrerbund Österreichs (ARBÖ) with tire size 205/55 R16 on VW Passat - new tires and used tires after 10.000 km.
    Much data measured and introduced in the video, easy to understand: http://reifenpresse.de/2017...
    Surprising results on water & snow thanks to opening deeply hidden Y-sipes during the tires life time...

    #2811
  5. Brian archived

    After reading the test I am left with the feeling that the difference between a summer bias and a winter bias I actually quiet small

    #2772
    1. TireReviews Brian archived

      There's quite a large difference in the dry, which is where UK motorists spend 65%+ of their time, so is a very important factor.

      #2773
  6. Diki archived

    TireReviews, what you think about new Continental AllSeasonContact? Will be same level as CrossClimate and Vector4Seasons gen2?

    #2759
    1. TireReviews Diki archived

      Interesting question. We currently have no information on the AllSeasonContact, but expect it to sit somewhere between the CrossClimate and Vector 4Seasons Gen 2 with regard to performance balance.

      #2760
    2. Kolemjdouci Diki archived

      Before an independent test will come later on (probably in the autumn) have a look at the spin graph accompanying the launch of the Cont. ASC, comparing the 9 most important tire parameters to summer and winter oriented all seasons competitors (just only 2 in total!) and you will see that best parameters of Conti should be: Low rolling resistance, lateral aquaplaning and snow handling...

      #2762
        1. Diki TireReviews archived

          Thanks for a graph. I‘m.wondering which tires are 'summer and winter oriented premium all season tires'. CrossCilmat and Weatherproof? Waiting for tests ;)

          #2769
          1. TireReviews Diki archived

            The CrossClimate is almost certainly the summer optimised all season, as it's the only one on the market :)

            I would guess the Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen 2 would be the winter optimised as they are the direct rival to Continental.

            #2770
            1. Kolemjdouci TireReviews archived

              I can only agree, it is the clear logic for Continental to chose those 2 market leaders, especially with regards to high R&D & test costs.
              P.S. I forgot in previous comment to add also the weak points of the new all season Conti in compare to "summer oriented all season premium tire": About 10% worse dry breaking & mileage.
              What further counts for consumers is the price & here the pricing and the concrete size availability will be one of the main reason(s) to buy or not...

              #2771
  7. pantel archived

    Which are the reference tires, summer and winter?

    #2734
    1. Andy Holmes pantel archived

      They dont usually disclose that info unfortunately, is better when/if they do!

      #2737
    2. TireReviews pantel archived

      As Andy correctly pointed out, it's not published sadly. Usually if you know who's hosting the test, you can roughly work out what tires they are :)

      #2739
  8. Andy Holmes archived

    I can testify that even on a big heavy mpv the crossclimate are solid in the dry and indistinguishable amidst other summer tires, whilst wet grip is assured.
    Well deserved joint first here.

    #2733
  9. George archived

    Why not the CrossClimate plus?

    #2729
    1. TireReviews George archived

      Most likely size availability at time of test.

      Very little has changed between the CrossClimate and the CrossClimate+ so we can be fairly confident the CrossClimate+ would have performed equally as well.

      #2730
      1. Ian F TireReviews archived

        Just bought some Cross climate PLUS, did have some Energy Saver PLUS on previously. Feel very similar in end August weather. Be interested to know a direct comparison for ACTUAL rolling resistance in kg/t as graph further up page. Energy Saver PLUS are B for rolling & Cross Climates are rated C... Are they fairly close (are cross climates low C nearly B & Energy Savers low B nearly A - or other end of spectrum??) Any chance of comparable info?

        #2827
        1. Kolemjdouci Ian F archived

          Yes, as stated in the M. CrossClimate + press release they are high C in the Rolling resistance, close to M. Energy Saver B class but in practise the most important is still the driver factor...:-)

          #2828