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I'm trying to decide between Vredestein Wintrac Pro and Goodyear UltraGrip Performance Plus for a UHP sporty feel.winyer tire. If I understand correctly UG P+ are more "sporty" than UG P3, is that correct? In the size that I need (225/50R17), P3 are rated C in wet grip while P+ are rated B. How would you compare the Wintrac Pro to UG P+ in terms od subjective handling? Tires will be used on RX-8 in south of Poland, so I expect some snow and a lot of melting slush.
I'm not sure what I'd go with. The Wintrac still tests very well sometimes, I thought the UGP3 replaces the P+ but I'd have to check and can't at the moment (on a flight)
Since these tires are UHP, why were the speed ratings of these tires left out of the comparison? Continental's 830P winter tires are designed for UHP vehicles--not the 870P's that were tested. The Vredestein tires tested were the correct tires for UHP vehicles with a "W" speed rating. All the others limited out at "V".
The clear winner here is the Vredestein for true UHP performance.
Another tire that should have been tested is the Yokohama BluEarth Winter V905. It has a "W" rating.
Speed ratings can be found in the results section.
The TS830P has been replaced twice, first by the TS850S and now the TS870P.
The ContiWinterContact TS 830 P is listed right now on Continental's website, so it has not been replaced. This series is listed as factory fit for Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, and Rolls-Royce. The 830P is described on Conitental's website as a "performance winter tire for high performance cars", and is their only winter tire described in those terms.
The 870P is a very good tire, but not one for a UHP category. High performance yes, but not ultra high performance.
By the way, I don't want to sound too critical--just discerning. I am grateful the UHP winter comparison review was made as Tire Reviews is the only site with so much depth in their tire reviews. Please keep it up! I am also grateful that you responded to my initial comment.
Also, I was wrong about Continental's winter tires maxing out with a speed rating of V. For some reason, many of their winter tire models range from T to W, and it varies with the specific size you need. Very odd. The winter tires that fit my BMW have a V rating in the 830P series. I went with Vredestein this winter because of the W rating that fit my BMW 750ix. The Vredestein tires are excellent for Pacific NW winters.
TS850P launch - specifically states it replaces the 830P
https://www.pressebox.com/p...
TS870P launch - replaces 850P
https://www.continental.com...
The 830P only still exists for sale due to old OE programs still being used. They will be working on replacement with the newer models. OE programs can be very behind the latest pattern due to the time and costs involved in OE programs.
You are right. 830P are still offered in Audi dealerships and when they put VIN number of your car computer is showing 830P and that's all they offer :)
870P is a first non-asymmetric Conti sport tire from many years.
830P, 850P, 860S = asymmetric
Great review but I had some questions about the wear data.
Living in a Nordic country I, and everybody around me, use winter tires every year. Never have I seen a tire, even a cheap Chinese one, to last less than 20 000km. And we're talking about best of the best tires in the world here, surely they must last way longer than the projected numbers in this review.
My last tires which I replaced after 4 seasons due to rubber getting hard and loss of grip drove over 23 000 and still had 6mm of tread left. I had 5 year old Hankook IZ2 on my previous car with over 30 000 and they were still superb and at around 5mm of tread.
The wear data feels slightly off. Or your testing regimen was very hard on tires. Usually, driving style in winter conditions is calm and grandfatherly which helps with the longevity of the tires as well.
Also, Nordic countries have a legal winter tire tread limit of 3mm. Going down to 1.6 is dangerous and illegal. However I'm sure in Central-European countries that don't mandate winter tires the tires can be worn down to 1.6.
You are getting a LOT of miles out of nordic winters. Even Michelin will only warrant the X-Ice Snow to 30k in the US, and that's the best of the bunch in wear, and that's also down to 1.6mm!
Why no Pirelli P Zero Winter? :(