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it is the second winter i am having gForce Winter 2 and i am really amazed by his snow performance. It lacks performance at the dry, but what a snow tire!
Coincidentally, I came here to ask a very similar question, to the question below. I'm really trying to compare the CC2 to the Wintrac Pro for my winter setup. Particularly for wet performance, I assumed that all weather would do better. While there is no direct test, I noticed the Quatrac Pro did better than the CC2 in the wet in autobild all season test. And the Quatrac Pro did worse the the Wintrac pro in the wet in this test. Can I then assume that the Wintrac Pro will do better than the CC2 in the wet?
However if you saying below that quiet updates happen all the time, my assumptions are vulnerable.
Even more so, the older model performance winters tires we get in North America ( Sotto3, Wintrac Pro, PA4 ). I was using the test data from older European tests to make my decisions. Can I no longer assume that the pilot Alpine PA4 or the wintrac Pro, in the American marketplace are the same as what was available in Europe 5 years ago? Tires are complicated man.
Tires are complicated, even more so when you start getting to tires vs tires as the same names can be different tires (North American CC2 is different from European CC2).
It's a headache for me.
Indeed, but in the end, selecting a good tire is not difficult, trying to figure out what the best is for your situation is what's difficult so it's not really much of a problem is it.
"Tire vs Tire" subtle, clever.
These are some interesting results! In wet braking and wet handling the reference Vredestein Quatrac Pro all-season tire scores worse than almost every winter tire. In the all-season test Autobild did earlier, the exact same tire (Vredestein Quatrac Pro) achieved the best score in wet braking and wet handling beating other all-season tires and interestingly also beating the (anonymous) reference winter tire in that test. What would cause that difference? Why is the same tire in this test worse in wet than the winter tires and better than a reference winter tire (and every other all-season tire) in another test? Would this be because of the size (in this test 18 inch, in the all-season test 17 inch)? Maybe the reference winter tire in the all-season test was just a shitty tire? Or the temperatures (22 degrees in the all-season test, unknown in this test)?
That's a good bunch of questions :D
My guess would be that the 17" in the all season test would have received an update, where as the 18" here hasn't yet. But I'll pass on the question to Vred and see what they say.
Of course, only auto bild really know the answer.
That's another possibility I didn't think of! But if the Vredestein tire received such an update that has a significant impact, would Vredestein not called it Quatrac Pro 2, Quatrac Pro S or Quatrac Pro Evo or something? If I had to guess, I'd put my money on difference in temperature. The all-seasons were tested at too high temperatures (22c) and maybe the winter tires were tested at or below freezing? Maybe I should ask AutoBild.
Would love to see a test similar to the test you did a few years ago with tires at different temperatures but then with more tires. Four of the best tires in categories of summer, winter and all-season at different temperatures in wet and dry to see when what tires performance best.
If you do ask Auto Bild let me know if you get a reply!
I'm not sure why names don't change with updates, but it's not uncommon for tires to get silently updated a number of times in their life, sometimes they're significant updates too. The only way to tell is that the EAN changes, but that's not usually easy to find data.