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On UK lanes we often have loose gravel on the tarmac. I'm interested to know which type of tread is better for stopping in those situations. Particularly with the unique tread of the Rainsport 3 - I think it might be worse for gravel but better for snow than others with the standard linear tread pattern?
what's the difference between P7 Blue and P7 ecoimpact?
Nothing, it's our mistake. We'll merge the reviews!
'...full Auto Bild summer tire test, which we will have the results of shortly.'
or not so shortly
Touche!
We've been waiting for Auto Bild to publish the test online, the full test should be up on Tuesday, and you can see the overview of the results below from the comment by Igor :)
Here are the full results: http://www.tirereviews.co.u...
very intresting this new hankook k125,and is very cheap, worth to try this tire?
The latest generation of Hankook tires are excellent, well worth a try!
Don't know when tirereviews will cover the final test, but I just saw the Autobild magazine online. Hankook wins the test in front of all the premiums. Pirelli 2nd, Continental 3rd, Goodyear 4th, Dunlop 5th, Fulda 6th, Michelin 7th, Vredestein 8th, Bridgestone 9th....
Hi Igor,
Thanks for the update, interesting results!
We'll have the final article up on Tuesday :)
The full results can be found here: http://www.tirereviews.co.u...
Pirelli Customer Services are not aware of any recent reformulation . . .
One wonders how these braking tests are performed - are the tires given just one shot each, best of 3? - or average of a number of runs? If more than one run is performed, do we know how consistent the results are for each tire?...
Usually the tests involve around 5 stops then the distances are averaged to produce a mean figure in the middle of the range, this is the distance given for the results.
Good news for Cint P7 blue....how do we know if we have the new formulation?...
You would have to speak to Pirelli to get the latest DOT code or ean / ipc code, then request these from your tire retailer
I don't understand some things here. How can Semperit, with C on EU label for wet braking, be better than all the premium tires (exept Pirelli). Even than many times spoken wet experts Conti PC5 and GY EGP. And Pirelli's dominance is also strange. Hankook almost on par with Pirelli and much better than all other tires?
Yes, indeed, surprising first results in this summer test. Nevertheless with conclusions wait for remaining disciplines being published on 24 March or other tests to come. Not necessary to buy always a winner but good to stay with let's say top 5-top 10 overall.
It's an interesting question.
The most likely answer is that Semperit have recently updated the Speedlife 2 for improved label scores, which is still currently filtering to market.
It's not unusual for tires to go the "mid lifecycle updates" to improve label scores, it's a shame this information isn't properly communicated to the customers.
Well, does that perhaps tell you something about the EU Labelling? And, the PC5 and the EGP are far from the best tires from those manufacturers (where 'best' temporarily means 'highest performance').
The P7 blue has had good reviews before, when people have been bothered to test it, as opposed to one of the other variants of the P7 theme. This is the first time I've seen the K125 tested, so let's wait to see how it does in the other disciplines, but that is really a promising result. The RS3 has the predicted good wet result, but, again, wear might be its downfall.
The real surprise for me is to see that Toyo NanoEnergy 2 way down there - it probably was never going to threaten for a podium, but it is below some real stinkers, AFAICT. Probably a case of the 'design for fuel saving and let everything else go hang' approach to tire design?
The NanoEnergy is been replaced by the CF2, so at least it's not a current tire from Toyo.
So far I know, Toyo NanoEnergy 2 was replaced by Nanoenergy 3 which is currently being sold in many shops in Europe...
That's what we would have assumed, but the statement from Toyo said CF2?!
All odd as the cf2 has been around a few years now and replaced the cf1, as said above the nanoenergy is a different 'model' of tire...
"And, the PC5 and the EGP are far from the best tires from those manufacturers"
What other tire GY makes in that dimension? And Continental, I know ecocontact5 but it should be worse than PC5, specially on wet.
Indeed, i take the labelling with a pinch of salt for this very reason, its still nowhere near an exact science and relatively open for interpretation by manufacturers especially the budget ones...