Danp3 Nov 20, 2015 archived

I'd like some new tires to replace run flats on my 330i and was fairly decided upon Michelin Pilot Sport 3's as they did well in the Evo 2014 tire test (3rd overall and 1st on the subjective road route). This was on a Golf GTI wearing 225/45/17 - Evo seem to have taken the test down now from their website but results are here: http://www.tirereviews.co.u......
(It also has an unscientific look at sidewall stiffness and indicates it doesn't correlate to what did well in dry handling)
However, I've recently seen the 2015 test and the PS3 didn't do so well (8th overall, joint 6th on road route)
NB 8 of the 10 tires are the same as last year, which makes that result seems slightly odd...
The 2015 evo tire test http://www.evo.co.uk/featur...... was on a Golf GTI wearing 225/40 R18, and these were the overall results:
1 Continental 96.3 (Continental ContiSportContact 5 (Y 92))
2 Yokohama 96.2 (Yokohama Advan Sport V105 (W 92))
3 Pirelli 95.9 (Pirelli P Zero (Y 92))
4 Goodyear 95.5 (Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 (Y 92))
5 Vredestein 94.9 (Vredestein Ultrac Vorti (Y 92))
6 Dunlop 94.2 (Dunlop Sport Maxx RT (Y 92))
7 Hankook 93.3 (Hankook Ventus S1 Evo 2 (Y 92))
8 Michelin 92.9 (Michelin Pilot Sport 3 (Y 92))
9 Bridgestone 92.3 (Bridgestone Potenza RE002 (W 92))
10 Toyo 86.3 (Toyo Proxes T1 Sport (Y 92))
The road test result (for which I'm probably most interested) was as follows:
1 Hankook 100
2 Goodyear 95.8
3 Pirelli 95.8
4 Vredestein 95.8
5 Yokohama 95.8
6 Bridgestone 91.7
7 Continental 91.7
8 Michelin 91.7
9 Dunlop 87.5
10 Toyo 75.0
Curiously the Hankook (same tire in a different size) finished flat LAST in the 2014 Evo tire test road route.
How can there be that much inconsistency from the same magazine, with the same test car (Golf GTI) with 8 of the 10 tires the same? Henry Catchpole authored last years test, this year was Dan Prosser. How on earth can I feel confident in what I'm going to buy?!

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1. TireReviews Danp3 Nov 20, 2015 archived
  
  Tire size can change the behavior of a tire, but what we believe to be the case here is mid-life pattern updates.
  Tires get minor updates all the time, but in the past few years the tire manufacturers have been chasing improving label scores. As tire patterns are only replaced every 2-5 years, tire companies push the new technology into existing patterns in order to improve the label scores.
  As all the top tires are so close objectively now, these mid life updates can drastically change the order of results.
  
  #1765
3ridetec . Nov 10, 2015 archived

I'd like to see Very cheap budget tires that I see all the time fitted to common cars compared with tires that just get in the top ten or top 20 on these test, this would make people pay slightly more for a big safety improvement on the roads.

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odjblue Sep 3, 2015 archived

No surprise for me, the good result for the Yokohama Advan Sport V105. I've used it, and find it a very good tire, with very good feel, never felt lack of grip or issues in the wet.

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Unpop Aug 22, 2015 archived

Only ever consider a tire test fair when its a blind test and nobody but the fitter knows what tires are on the car. Magazines will always lean towards those that pay for advertising space. FACT

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1. TireReviews Unpop Aug 22, 2015 archived
  
  You could argue that because Pirelli hosted the test, it would be bias towards them.
  EVO are totally independant and having seen the raw data from the tests, we're 100% sure there is no bias. Further more, EVO go to the lengths of buying all the tires on the open market to ensure no "special" tires are included.
  
  #1490
  1. Unpop TireReviews Sep 11, 2015 archived
    
    Thank you for the backup. You could say theres bias towards Pirelli due to their near perfect dry and wet scores... or they could just be good tires.
    No accusations were leveled at manufacturer specials but also more information left off that would relevant to Joe Public. Just as every bit of data is deem necessary in the rating a tire or other technical equipment so is information to arm a user to make a better decision.
    
    #1500
2. Ian Eveleigh Unpop Aug 24, 2015 archived
  
  Hi Unpop
  Just for the record, our testing is done blind - the driver is unaware of which tire is fitted at any given time. We should have made this clear in the article.
  As for your suggestion that we lean towards the companies that pay for advertising space, well, consider this: Of all the tire manufacturers whose products we tested, Michelin has advertised by far the most in the magazine and on evo.co.uk over recent months. It sponsored an eight-page feature in our September issue, for example, and has placed three double-page advertorials with us in recent months. Yet its contender finished 8th out of the ten tires we tested. Hopefully this proves that our testing is unbiased - and that your "FACT" is actually anything but.
  Incidentally, for the benefit of those who haven't read the full test, the Michelin was not a bad tire by any means. In fact it won one of the tests it was subjected to. It's just that the results were close and other tires scored more highly overall.
  All the best,
  Ian Eveleigh
  Production editor
  evo
  
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  1. Unpop Ian Eveleigh Sep 11, 2015 archived
    
    Hi Ian, the defining factor for readers would be hat the test was done blind. There are too many magazines, worldwide, that DO lean towards their paying advertisers. That you cannot deny. FACT is I said "magazines" and not specifically EVO but as you can back this up, theres nothing really to debate and some readers are more informed.
    Your test data was also presented in a way that showed that a lower place finish does not necessarily mean a bad tire so I dont have an issue there. Though Michelin advertising must be paying off seeing I use Michelin Pilot Super Sports
    
    #1499

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